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 Post subject: WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:11 pm 
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Can someone explain this behavior to me? Person responds to ad. States that they want your item. Then they follow up with a phone call. They ask for a discount, you offer it and then say you'll follow up via email with a total quote including shipping and payment information. You pack the item carefully for shipment. They do not respond to numerous emails, even those politely requesting whether they even want the unit anymore. Explain this to me. People, if you have no intention to purchase form someone, leave them alone, if you can't afford to pay the price, don't ask for a discount. We don't need audiogon style flakos here on this site.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:37 pm 
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Canuck Audio Mart has heard many similar complaints from users over the years. There is no explicit rule where one must commit to any deal as soon as one makes contact. There is no binding contract until it is explicitly clear both parties agree to a deal. Unfortunately, this gives some users the feeling that they can "kick tires" or "window shop" without any recourse.

It's frustrating but, at the end of the day, there are always other buyers and people who might actually be more worth dealing with. Be patient and try not to let one bad apple spoil your experience here.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:05 pm 
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Don't worry, I love this site, it's the lack of common courtesy that ticks me off.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:41 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:50 pm 
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I also hate those buyers that never close on a deal that they so desperately wanted, had been looking for, etc. But I also have a problem with sellers who never respond to offers to buy an item they have for sale. No replies that the item has been sold or the status of the listed item.

Please check your e-mail filters, what good is it if you list an item for sale but your spam filter dumps the e-mails of interested buyers into the trash!

Thomas
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:45 am 
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Why does a cat lick itself in its private places? Because it can.

I try to assume the best, and the worst about people. To quote Chuck Knox, former coach of the Seattle Seahawks: "I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt. But after any doubt, there are no more benefits.". And I love this one: "Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.". It's always possible that someone wants to buy but they find out they really don't have the money, or that something else comes up. In that case, they should respond, or better yet, just tell you. If they don't, maybe they had a stroke or died. Or maybe they are just a jerk. And do you really want to do business with a jerk or a dead person? The jerk is doing you a favor by being a jerk now, as opposed to being a jerk after the sale, right?

But in the end, money talks. Money tells you if someone is for real or not. I don't really believe anyone and don't do anything until the money hits my PayPal account. Then I smile as I am boxing up the thing I'm selling.

Of course the opposite is true. The seller needs to follow through also. 95% of the time people are for real, but it's that 5% that makes us jaded. It's a sad statement that we have to be pleasantly surprised when someone actually does what they say they are going to do and expect to be let down by people.

So I try to appreciate the 95% and don't worry too much about the rest.

OK philosophy lesson 101 completed. 5 cents please.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:53 am 
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Why does a cat lick itself in its private places? Because it can.

I try to assume the best, and the worst about people. To quote Chuck Knox, former coach of the Seattle Seahawks: "I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt. But after any doubt, there are no more benefits.". And I love this one: "Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.". It's always possible that someone wants to buy but they find out they really don't have the money, or that something else comes up. In that case, they should respond, or better yet, just tell you. If they don't, maybe they had a stroke or died. Or maybe they are just a jerk. And do you really want to do business with a jerk or a dead person? The jerk is doing you a favor by being a jerk now, as opposed to being a jerk after the sale, right?

But in the end, money talks. Money tells you if someone is for real or not. I don't really believe anyone and don't do anything until the money hits my PayPal account. Then I smile as I am boxing up the thing I'm selling.

Of course the opposite is true. The seller needs to follow through also. 95% of the time people are for real, but it's that 5% that makes us jaded. It's a sad statement that we have to be pleasantly surprised when someone actually does what they say they are going to do and expect to be let down by people.

So I try to appreciate the 95% and don't worry too much about the rest.

OK philosophy lesson 101 completed. 5 cents please.


Well said and great advice! :)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:17 am 
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rcspkramp wrote:
Don't worry, I love this site, it's the lack of common courtesy that ticks me off.



It's not just this site or CAM or AudiogoN. The lack of common courtesy is evident everywhere in our society today.

And it's only going to get worse, unfortunately....

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:05 pm 
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hifijones wrote:
rcspkramp wrote:
Don't worry, I love this site, it's the lack of common courtesy that ticks me off.



It's not just this site or CAM or AudiogoN. The lack of common courtesy is evident everywhere in our society today.

And it's only going to get worse, unfortunately....


Here's an idea. I'd like to see a running list posted here of people who say they'll buy, write that they'll buy and who then just disappear. I had this happen to me THREE times this week on A'gon. No dispute, no snag...had everything worked out according to THEIR requirements and then radio silence. It must be some psychiatric disorder listed in the DMSR.

I call it "sales flirting." I can't figure it out. I'm with the OP. What do they get out of it?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:56 pm 
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Hi I'm a newbe on the audmart scene but so far so good. There's alot of us out here.
I know from experience the frustration of having my tires kicked and my bumpers pushed.
But I think we still live in an age of buyer beware and I know that I have squeezed a few loaves of bread before I choose one. It's common and not as bad as it seems. We all want a good sale to happen when we are the seller but in the same breath we also want the biggest bang for the buck.
The smartest thing I ever heard in this industry was this.....
THE BUYERS AND THE SELLERS ARE NO DIFFERENT FELLERS....


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I know in a few cases - because the wife refused to let him dip into their funds to make the purchase,
remember there could be other factors at play


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Sorta reminds me of a guy years ago that was in my living room making a deal on a fantastic theater processor and amp, BMW 3 series in the driveway, Rolex on the wrist, wasn't happy until it hurt. I agreed to a lower price at $1400 than I had in mind.

So then he wants the interconnects I had sitting there, I told him dealer cost was $200 a set, he needed five sets, he says he'll give me $100, I calmly let him know that I'd just as soon keep them, I was not taking less than the deal cost. Half an hour he won't give it up, come on, you can take a hundred a set.

Well after being patient for half an hour I got irritated, I told him if he opened his mouth one more time the price on the processor and amp was going up a hundred dollars, he said something and I firmly said it's now $1500, he said something else and I cut him off and said it's now $1600, care to make it $1700?

His comment was "wow, I really pissed you off didn't I?" I answered yep you did. He shelled out $1600 and loaded up his car.

As soon as he left my wife came out and said she didn't know how I stayed as calm and collected as I did for as long as I did, she'd have slapped him way before I got annoyed. Her comment was if I hadn't said what I did when I finally did she was about to come out and tell him to get out of her house.

She did like the "every time you open your mouth the price goes up a hundred dollars".


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:09 pm 
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hifijones wrote:
rcspkramp wrote:
Don't worry, I love this site, it's the lack of common courtesy that ticks me off.



It's not just this site or CAM or AudiogoN. The lack of common courtesy is evident everywhere in our society today.

And it's only going to get worse, unfortunately....


So true! :evil:

Customer service people who put themselves first, waitresses/waiters who act like they are doing you a favor, sales people who look down their noses while representing a product they could never afford, no please or thank you just gimmie, etc...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:20 am 
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I have had this happen to me numerous times. Most of us have. I have thought about this myself. I have 2 rationales for this behavior.

1. I think there is an addiction to the high you get from chasing and closing a deal that motivates people to exhibit this type of behavior. Once the deal is closed the "thrill of the hunt" is over and the buyer walks away.
2. Some people are genuine A$$ wholes and don't feel obligated to tell you that they found something else that was more amenable to there impulses and they moved on without giving you basic human courtesy in return for yours..

Solution: Don't waste anymore thought on this issue. Move on and don't let the negativity generated by the other individual afflict you.


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I too have had this happen to me. I own a remodeling company so I talk to potential clients daily. I will tell you in the last few years this inquiry and enthusiasm gone cold is becoming very common. I have always had good luck selling audio on both Ebay and Audiogon but it seems that time has passed. It's like communication gone bad. Email can be so impersonal. I meet with people in their homes. Follow up with references the next day by Email. Work up a quote and Email it a few days later and get no response. Nothing! Not a thanks we will consider it, Nothing. I sold an amp to a guy in Switzerland and a motorcycle to a guy in Russia but now I can't sell a pair of speakers in Iowa. OK I feel better. What was the question? :roll:

Thanks all
Russ


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